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This is a good post, and there are a lot of different threads you could try to elaborate on.

I've just started reading _Number Go Up_ and the two things that I find myself mulling over are (1) there's a basic idea in economics that prices provide information and create incentives, and you get weird incentives when you have prices that are disconnected from real world utility. (2) Whatever intuitions I have about recognizing scams (and that's not something I think about very often), they fall short of knowing what to make of an ecosystem in which some people are clearly engaged in deliberate scams, and a whole lot of other people are involved in more-or-less good faith, and they both boost each other. That's probably common, but the scale with which it occurred during the crypto boom is hard to fathom (and, as you say, has gravitational effects).

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Number Go Up is so good.

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It is good, I also find reading it rather stressful.

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There's a thin line between scam and investment opportunity. It's mostly in the timing.

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Mar 13Liked by Dave Karpf

Great insight here - surprised not to see this theme more often:

“The primary story of the post-techlash years hasn’t been driven by new technologies or old companies.”

The wealth part is much more of a driver and a good explanation for why things go sideways sometimes.

One thing I will say, however, is that we are fortunate that this exorbitant wealth (usually) cannot actually buy elections, at any level. Sure, money in politics is a big and relevant problem, but for whatever reason, there is no corresponding domination of electoral outcomes in proportion to the wealth of some of these actors - this is evidenced by the fact that the presidency and both houses of Congress are (again) actually up for grabs this year.

There is an impact, for certain, but there is also plenty of resistance, and for now, enough of it to keep governing from completely going sideways. Can’t be sure it will stay that way, but at least we have that going for us.

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Yes, good point. (As is Perival's below.) Electoral behavior is one of the hardest things to influence. Piles of advertising money don't really move the needle. My reaction when I heard that a16z was starting a political donations program for "techno-optimist" candidates was "oh. You're starting a PAC. I kinda assumed you already had one. Every other business sector does."

And/but, Congress is responsive to wealthy interests and non-responsive to the mass public. (Gilens and Page did a great book on this, as have several others.)

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Mar 14Liked by Dave Karpf

It's true they can't outright buy elections, but they certainly can and do influence policy. Seems to me there's a vicious cycle of campaign donations -> tax cuts -> more wealth -> great ROI for more campaign donations!

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Mar 18·edited Mar 18

I wish it were true but unfortunately dark money has bought ALL the red state legislatures. That’s why you see the extreme gerrymanders that dramatically affect both the states and the U.S. house. Dark money has also bought the Supreme Court and placed hundreds of very young Heritage foundation judges throughout the U.S. who will influence our courts for decades to come. Nov 2024 could be the last time we the people will have a chance to have a say in federal elections.

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Mar 13Liked by Dave Karpf

The eyes of most people glaze over when they see big numbers such as a million or a billion.

What’s the difference between a million and a billion?

A MILLION seconds takes a little over 11 ½ days.

A BILLION seconds takes a little over 31 ½ years.

1,000,000 seconds ÷ 60 = 16,666.67 minutes ÷ 60 = 277.78 hours ÷ 24 = 11.57 days

= 11d, 13h, 46m, 40s.

1,000,000,000 seconds ÷ 60 = 16,666,666.67 minutes ÷ 60 = 277,777.78 hours ÷ 24 = 11,574.074 days ÷ 365 = 31.71 years

= 31y, 259d, 4h, 26m, 40s.

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I've done pretty well as an investor by recognizing that most Americans have been broke since the Reagan Revolution and that there is nothing to invest in so the only thing to do is buy stocks. I retired in the mid-90s and haven't done a lick of work since. Meanwhile, whenever I chide myself for spending too much on a new computer or a vacation, the stock market laughs and says "number go up".

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I love your idea of buying Fox and turning it into UHF. It would be a real improvement.

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Mar 13Liked by Dave Karpf

Jeez, sounding like some bomb-throwing anarchist here. We've all seen that graph of the concentration of wealth, but I don't recall anything more specific than that, on how that wealth is distributed among that .01% or whatever the number is these days. Like Donald Trump's shell corporations, probably almost impossible to untangle anyway, though apparantly we all think we know how much money Musk and Theil and all the other robber barrons have, I see those numbers all the time. We peasants think of those numbers as liquid assets, but of course they're not, and of course practically that doesn't matter. Money attracts and generates money once it achieves escape velocity, which our billionaires did long ago. This Guilded Age can only end like the last one, in a global economic collapse. Governments can tinker at the margins, but our billionaires won't give up power any other way. That or a global war, which has its own set of issues, which they are "planning" for.

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We might also see money as an amplifier. Not only the inertia of all mass, but an amplification of force.

Inertia is a good concept to use. The IT revolution has created an enormous landscape of discrete (classical) logical dependencies and as logic is inflexible, the landscapes are brittle, and because the landscapes are brittle, they have become harder and harder to change. Large logical landscapes show inertia. https://ea.rna.nl/2020/02/11/a-tipping-point-in-the-information-revolution/ and change is actually slowing down, both in organisations and in society. There *is* two-speed IT: adding is fast-ish, changing is slow. We're probably already in the second half of the traditional S-curve.

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"I can't actually fathom what the next $50 million would be for.": I agree with the point you're making, but there is, in fact, a reasonable answer to that question: for improving other people's lives. Of course, that never occurs to most people who have $50 million to spare, let alone people who have billions to spare (which practically every billionaire does, because as you're pointing out, nobody needs a billion dollars). Just today, I saw a news piece* about some fool who plans to build a working replica of the Titanic, and when asked why, he replied, "It's a lot more fun to do the Titanic than it is to sit at home and count my money." Because obviously, those are the only alternatives, right? (Still, replicating the Titanic for a few billion dollars is maybe a step up from first buying and then trashing Twitter for over forty billion dollars.)

"the central theme of these past few years has been the astronomical concentration of capital among a handful of people": Correct. And it's a glaringly predictable and therefore presumptively intentional consequence of Reaganism / Thatcherism / whatever we may call detaxing and deregulating the rich and their corporations, for which tens of millions of fools have voted over and over again.

* https://globalnews.ca/news/10356555/titanic-ii-billionaire-clive-palmer-relaunch/

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Yes and yes.

It calls to mind figures like Craig Newmark, Pierre Omidyar, and Jeff Skoll. They built products in the 90s and 00s (Craigslist, eBay). They made pretty phenomenal sums of money. And then they basically said "wow. okay. I'm set for life and have a ton of excess. Guess I'll try to do some good here."

I think we'd still be better off with a system where public works are accomplished by a well-funded public sector, rather than foisting all the hard social problems on the nonprofit sector. But at the individual level, I can't help but look at those guys and think "good for you. You're doing it right."

And on the second point, George Gilder is a particularly interesting figure here. He's Reagan's supply-side economics guru, despite not being any sort of economist. Then he learns about semiconductors, decides the future will be digital, and becomes one of the biggest boosters of the dotcom boom.

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Mar 14Liked by Dave Karpf

I quite agree about the preferability of a well-funded public sector.

For example, as a scientist, I look at even James Simons, one of the few very rich people who's clearly highly intelligent - he did significant math before he moved into finance - and who's become a big sponsor of scientific research, and I think still, a well-funded public sector does it better. He's trying to pick "winners", plucking them from academia by offering them all the money they need and no more grant grind, but an awful lot of great work has been done by people who didn't look like "winners" at the time (e.g., one who's finally getting her due is Katalin Karikó). Academia has its faults - as an ex-academic, I'm painfully aware of them - and it's deteriorated in recent decades due to declining public funding and metastasizing corporatism at the top, but it's still pretty good at sustaining a wide variety of talented and industrious people doing a wide variety of research, some of which turns out to be enormously beneficial to society.

But yeah, I'll take Craig Newmark and Pierre Omidyar over Elon Musk and Peter Thiel any day.

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Mar 14Liked by Dave Karpf

By the way, as you may be aware, empirical research indicates that money can indeed buy happiness, but only up to a point far below what the 1% have, with worse-than-diminishing returns thereafter. For example:

"In the aggregated global data, we found that the satiation point for life evaluation occurred at approximately $95,000 ... For positive emotions, satiation occurred at a lower level of income, $60,000, as did negative emotions at $75,000. For all three measures of SWB [subjective well-being], there were no appreciable increases in SWB after these incomes. In fact, for life evaluation, we found that after satiation had been reached, further increases in income were associated with slight decrements to SWB."*

Accordingly, I judge the very rich - the kind of people you're talking about in this post - to be afflicted with an undiagnosed mental disorder. If "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result", then they're insane, in that they keep grasping at more and more money, even though it isn't making them happier. Indeed, some of them are noted chiefly for being chronically malcontented, continually lashing out about one thing or another (e.g., Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and Donald Trump, who at least pretends to be a billionaire).

* Jebb et al., 2018, Nat. Hum. Behav. 2:33-38, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0277-0

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It's interesting to me that we are not collectively compelled to do much about this. In fact, we have myths that permeate our society that cause people to staunchly oppose doing anything about it.

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"We" collectively don't do much of anything beyond consuming entertainment Half of we can't be bothered to vote, the only actual power almost all of we will ever exercise. The point of a lot of those myths is to keep the independent American from becoming a we.

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We do not so much have 'myths', we have 'convictions' which are basic building blocks of human intelligence. We tend to think our convictions follow from observations and reasoning, but the opposite is (more) true: our convictions steer what observations and reasonings we accept. There are good evolutionary reasons why we tend not to do much about our convictions (speed and efficiency). https://ea.rna.nl/2022/10/24/on-the-psychology-of-architecture-and-the-architecture-of-psychology/

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There's a great TED talk you might be aware of/interested in by Ian Bremmer: The next global superpower isn't who you think. In many ways, it's a complementary analysis of what you've done here, talking about techno-polar worlds where individuals and corporations usurp nation states as the dominant power. It's always spooked me, but more recently, it's started to feel disturbingly prescient. This essay adds to my unease in that regard, and I really like the gravity analogy you use to tease it out.

On the topic of mobilizing global scale wealth: I'm a student of climate science and Indigenous studies. After a lot of learning and reflection, it's now relatively easy for me to understand the enormous scale and scope of capitalism and colonialism's harms. Therefore, it's just as easy to imagine that the money required to meaningfully unwind these problems and their ongoing harms needs to be tidal. When I indulge in fantasising about possessing that kind of wealth, I imagine even Elon-sized bank accounts could be very quickly depleted. Global-scale problems can devour global-scale wealth - it's I think a central reason why global-scale problems still persist.

When discussing this with friends they're often quick to point that thinking like this is exactly why I'm not a billionaire and never will be. I think that speaks to the kind of psychology that one must either possess or (in a model of "absolute power corrupts") eventually succumb to, in order to remain wealthy. Far more people know the name Bill Gates than the name Chuck Feeney (elsewhere in the comments on this aspect, you mention three - I assume - similar names, who I've never heard of before) so I think, psychologically, there's a question of ego, and of wanting to stay relevant that also drives this behaviour. This ties in with psychological/social assessments of Musk as someone who wants to "save the world" but only if he's the one doing it.

I feel there’s also a related point in here, psychologically speaking, about where individuals draw a sense of wellbeing from. As you say, COVID psychologically shattered us. As a student of both, colonialism and capitalism have the same effect on me. Cultivating an awareness of injustice and harm at such scales often leads me to increased personal distress and an erosion of mental wellbeing. It’s therefore very telling, I think, that gravitationally-wealthy people not only think differently – but seem to think oppositely. The wealth explosion of COVID is a fantastic example of this psychology. It’s perhaps too easy to say this without having my morality/psychology truly tempted/tested by gravitational wealth – but I’ll say it anyways – I just couldn’t live with myself if I made money out of that kind of thing. I would feel such shame and personal culpability.

Putting all these thoughts/anxieties into the context of AI and its potential for further concentrations of power is where my concerns really start to skyrocket. The track record of gravitationally wealthy people suggests they are differently motivated, psychologically, and that they are not averse to amplifying their power even if doing so came because of global-scale suffering. As you say, that is all extraordinarily not-great.

Factoring all this in alongside the Californian Ideology, alongside TESCREAL, alongside comments from folks like Thiel saying "We are in a deadly race between politics and technology. . . . The fate of our world may depend on the effort of a single person who builds or propagates the machinery of freedom that makes the world safe for capitalism" and it starts to get dystopian really quickly. There's a psychology, but also an ideology/agenda that goes disturbingly under-explored. It all meshes together into a pretty dark picture.

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“I just couldn’t live with myself if I made money out of that kind of thing. I would feel such shame and personal culpability.”

This is the difference between you and megalomaniacal wealthy people. For them, seeing people lose is what makes them feel like winners.

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"We had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little, we went insane."

The problem that we have is that these people are now rich enough to remake the world to conform to their dreams. And their dreams are Ayn Rand and some SF that they've not properly understood. They are Dark Thermians.

The facile comparison is often made between tech giants and countries - e.g. "If Facebook was a country, it would be the biggest on earth".

What this analogy often misses is that tech billionaires want the power of states. They want to be tyrants and god-kings of their realms. And they are mostly libertarians. So this shouldn't make sense but of course many libertarians only despise governments because they limit their freedom of action, not because they object to the concentration of power and wealth.

The countries that have done most to rein in their tech sectors are authoritarian regimes - in part because they have no illusions about the nature of power and its link to money. Xi Jinping will brook no rivals, Jack Ma.

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The magnitudes are hard to grasp:

$100K saved for retirement is a 4.3-inch stack of $100 bills.

$1M: 43 inches.

$1B: 3,600 feet. (World's tallest building is 2,722 feet.)

Richest person: $233B. 190 miles high. 29X as high as Mt. Everest.

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I wonder what role ZIRP played in all of this and what the end of it might change (if anything at all).

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It seems to me like ZIRP matters a *lot* for the broader story of the past 30 years of tech. Money flowed into VC and other long-term investment vehicles because money was free and you couldn't get much of a return by just parking it in a bank.

But I can imagine a world where we have ZIRP but also a tax system that captures more of the absurd-excessive gains, and that's probably a world where the extreme escape-velocity inequality at the very top is dampened.

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Yes to both - huge impact on policy, in so many different ways. Just the idea that certain policies are quite popular with voters, but that often does not translate into legislative action. Other influence is obviously present - will check out that book.

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